What’s so bad about the latest IDW issue? In fact I was happy that they finally punished the villain without being a bunch of bleeding hearts who would be friends even with Josif Stalin!

joshscorcher:

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joshscorcher:

That’s disproportionate retribution. They fed someone (whose worst crimes are kidnapping, extortion, and chopping down a few trees) to a Hydra and let the parasitical usurper queen just get thrown in jail and deported.

Besides, the villain was witnessed to be breaking about 50 laws that no one thought to take legal action against him for, including violating zoning laws, kidnapping, extortion, blackmail, stealing mail, assault, unlawfully using someone’s image, forcing a minor to sign under duress, and forcing a citizen of another sovereign nation to sign under duress. But like the idiots everyone was, they just let this idiot of a villain walk all over them.

Josh, I like you—I agree with you mostly, but on this I have to respectfully say that your points, albeit valid, are missing the point about the comics and series as a whole.

Let’s consider the five major conflicts that the Mane 6 (Twilight specifically) has needed to face.

A) Nightmare Moon

Solution: Discover ancient relic from Book Horse’s readings, become Equestrian heroes and bring back “Best” Princess Luna from her banishment in (not on!) the Moon for a thousand years.

“Weapon” used: The Magic of Friendship

Diagnosis: Non-Violent Combat Resolution

B) Discord

Solution: Sunbutt—apparently the only alicorn who is actually doing anything here—sends back all of her student’s work to remind her of the lessons she’s learned about friendship.  She gets un-greyed, finds her friends, and Orbital Friendship Cannons Discord back into stone form.

Diagnosis: Non-Violent Combat Resolution

C) Queen Chrysalis/Princess Cadance

Solution: Well, wow.  Twilight really can’t do anything here.  Even after being asked to go and fetch the Elements of Harmony, now apparently the go-to for any catastrophe, they are captured by the Changeling Swarm.  The true Heartbutt is pushed toward her fiancée, and love and sparkly things send the evil Queen Chrysalis on her way.

Diagnosis: I wouldn’t call this violent… but it’s definitely an indirect method of taking care of evil.  No intended violence used here. So, non-combat conflict resolution.

D) King Sombra

Solution: Sombra never really plays his hoof until near the end of the episode, in which we see him retake his pony form.  Through the power of the Crystal Heart, we seem him—wow.  He kinda gets blowed up.  We see a fragment of a horn go flying off into the distance.

Diagnosis: Ehh, Twilight didn’t actually hurt Sombra.  In fact, nopony put a hoof on him.  This is a gray area because he technically was killed. (Unless you consider Ask-Wiggles’ http://ask-king-sombra.tumblr.com/ to be canon, in which case he’s not dead, just lost.)

5) Tirek

Solution: Here is where violence ends up rearing its ugly head into the picture.  However, this is justified: Tirek, in his chase of Twilight Sparkle, chases her down to try and take the combined alicorn magic of four ponies—and blows up Golden Oak Library.

Diagnosis: This is undoubtedly the violent solution.  Does it end in death?  No.

End of the day, Josh, the way that the antagonist in the most recent MLP comic was taken care of may seem like it was the cowards way out, but you’ve got a 4-1 docket against violent remedies to the situation at hoof.

One final argument I will make to counter your point: in this principality, there seems to be absolutely no system of administrating justice in any manner.  Your position that you feel it was a case of “disproportionate retribution” may have some weight; but this is a comic based on a kid’s show that does not believe that violence is the way to solve anything.

And YOU are missing the point of what I am saying.

There is NO excuse to feed Well-To-Do to the Hydra. If our ponies are able to stop an evil alicorn, an embodiment of chaos, a parasitical queen, and a demon centaur without killing them, then they are perfectly able to throw Well-To-Do in prison without killing him.

“War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy.” Tony Benn

Several times in the series, the ponies were forced to use violence when diplomacy wasn’t an option. Whenever it was an option, they used it. This comic completely rewrites the world’s existing justice system and assassinates the characters and overarching message of the show in the process.

Also, you have some pretty odd statements.

“-but you’ve got a 4-1 docket against violent remedies to the situation at hoof.”

Correct me if I’m wrong, but did you just say that because the problem was resolved non-violently during previous times in the series, then that excuses the murder of Well-To-Do? If you didn’t, then you really need to work on your wording because I cannot for the life of me interpret what you said any differently.

“-in this principality, there seems to be absolutely no system of administrating justice in any manner.”

What about the Royal Guard? Or the Police? Both of these organizations exist. Also, the comic itself pointed out that there are legal firms when Well-To-Do was showing the Twilight Sporkle toy.

There is law. There is a system in place, but the comic just ignores it.

“-but this is a comic based on a kid’s show-”

That’s not, never has, and never will be an excuse for poor quality.

Being for kids doesn’t excuse anyone of giving kids the poisonous messages of “Corporations are evil, so kill them,” and “The Law and Authority will not help you against bad people.”

“-that does not believe that violence is the way to solve anything.”

If Equestria does not believe that violence is the way to solve anything, then why have a police force or a royal guard? Isn’t that what they’re there for.

All right—get where you’re coming from here and appreciate the counterpoint.  One of the issues I have with the comics—and the show as a whole—is a varied writing staff with varied ideas as to how the world works.  There’s no baseline between issues: what happened in Issue 14 has little to no bearing on what happened in Issue 27 and 28.  Is this necessarily a bad thing?  Well, depends on your perspective.  Other people will like it, others not: it’s a matter of personal opinion and that’s all there is to that.

I’ve studied criminal law—took a class less than a year ago.  Even in this instance, you can’t really say that Well-To-Do was “murdered.”  If we use my state’s (Minnesota) criminal code regarding murder, found here: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.185 (Murder 1),https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.19 (Murder 2),  https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.195 (Murder 3), the only pony that could face any sort of repercussions here is King Aspen as he was the only one to do anything—even if that anything was inaction.

I think the main issue here is story: you had to create a crisis (The Everfree Forest invading), set the call to action (ponies go and investigate), put in a cliff-hanger part (Aspen’s actions making it impossible for Celestia and Luna to immediately do anything, ultimately unintended), and then come up with a insanely ridiculous method of resolving the issue at hand (what happened in Issue 28, #nospoilers for those who haven’t read all of it yet).

If we hit this straight away from the perspective of logical reasoning, ergo Well-To-Do actually sought permission to build this park, you would have an incredibly boring issue filled with legal technicalities, developing meetings and the arduous process of the building of a theme park.  I wouldn’t have read it, you wouldn’t have read it and nobody at IDW would have signed off on such a profoundly dry script for a comic.

Would it have been nice to see a proper way of dealing with the situation given the laws of the land being enforceable by the proper authorities, of course; Would it have been interesting?  Highly doubt it.  Sometimes what happens in the course of a story doesn’t need to make rational, logical or legal sense to be told.  I think that’s why there are talented fanfic writers who will step up and tackle things like this that are just impractical to do in the sense of a comic while maintaining the integrity of the story.

For this arc?  Eh, lowish water mark.  The premise for the solution is poor and relies on sheer comedic slapstick to get its point made.  Art, awesome as always.  Story, lacking in making it completely believable.

I felt the same frustration that you might have done while reading the last two comics, probably saying something like this: “Why aren’t they DOING anything about this legally?!”

Anywho, thanks for the reply!  It was good to discuss this with you, even if I didn’t completely agree with your assessment initially.

What’s so bad about the latest IDW issue? In fact I was happy that they finally punished the villain without being a bunch of bleeding hearts who would be friends even with Josif Stalin!

joshscorcher:

That’s disproportionate retribution. They fed someone (whose worst crimes are kidnapping, extortion, and chopping down a few trees) to a Hydra and let the parasitical usurper queen just get thrown in jail and deported.

Besides, the villain was witnessed to be breaking about 50 laws that no one thought to take legal action against him for, including violating zoning laws, kidnapping, extortion, blackmail, stealing mail, assault, unlawfully using someone’s image, forcing a minor to sign under duress, and forcing a citizen of another sovereign nation to sign under duress. But like the idiots everyone was, they just let this idiot of a villain walk all over them.

Josh, I like you–I agree with you mostly, but on this I have to respectfully say that your points, albeit valid, are missing the point about the comics and series as a whole.

Let’s consider the five major conflicts that the Mane 6 (Twilight specifically) has needed to face.

A) Nightmare Moon

Synopsis: Long forgotten “Old Mare’s Tale” from days of old of an evil pony who wanted to enshroud the entire land in eternal darkness.  Turns out, it’s not a bedtime story meant to scare the Apples out of little colts and fillies and get them to go to bed.  Then, guess what happens?  She shows up!

Enter Book Horse Twilight Sparkle, who knows about this entire Breezie’s Tale and is the first one to tell Celestia the famous “Hey!  Listen!” because of bad things will be happening.  She assembles the rest of the Mane 5, they all go on a grand adventure and they take on the evil, black alicorn of evilness.

Solution: Discover ancient relic from Book Horse’s readings, become Equestrian heroes and bring back “Best” Princess Luna from her banishment in (not on!) the Moon for a thousand years.

“Weapon” used: The Magic of Friendship

Diagnosis: Non-Violent Combat Resolution

B) Discord

Ah, Q, we haven’t met for some now time, it seems. So, now that you are in this wonderful land of pastel-colored ponies, how will you treat them?  Engage in witty debates about the challenges of space exploration, the dangers of the Borg and the Orions–

or punk them by appearing in stained glass windows, after bringing clouds of cotton candy and rains of the finest chocolate.  Popcorn ears of corn too!  Yes, good sir, you are awesomely handling the causing of utter and completely organized chaos!

Synopsis: Sunbutt horse seals away evil being from a thousand years ago (glaring continuity error!) with the help of Moonbutt to keep the land safe from eternal chaos.  Fast forward one millennium and the Cutie Mark Crusaders can be seen having yet another breakdown right next to the statue of Discord during a field trip.

So, Celestia summons Twilight Sparkle, Ph.D. and says “Use the Elements of Harmony to make the new evil go away.”

OOPS!  Elements are not there.  They’re missing!

Quest and all, lose horns and wings for the unicorns and pegasi in the group–turn all of the Element bearer’s positive attributes to their extreme negative, save for Starbutt who finally loses hope in Part Two.

Solution: Sunbutt–apparently the only alicorn who is actually doing anything here–sends back all of her student’s work to remind her of the lessons she’s learned about friendship.  She gets un-greyed, finds her friends, and Orbital Friendship Cannons Discord back into stone form.

Diagnosis: Non-Violent Combat Resolution

C) Queen Chrysalis/Princess Cadance

Weddings. Ugh. A lot of ceremony and decorations that drives costs into the tens of thousands of bits, pre-nuptial arrangements, and backs up traffic for miles.  Oh!  And also puts the entire City of Canterlot on high alert because of an unspecified threat.

Sounds like the perfect way to spend a weekend in the Capital City.

Synopsis: Princess Cadance, henceforth to be referred to as Heartbutt, is engaged to marry Shining Armor–who isn’t a Prince.  (Seriously.  Check your codes for how Royals are named and the like.)  Oh.  Shining Armor himself.  Le gasp!  Twilight has a brother?!?  Sparkle!  What else are you hiding?  Confess, you magical unicorn egghead!

Well, it’s just as well, she’s mad at him for not even visiting, much less that he had the audacity to send the knowledge that he was getting married by SpikeMail! Shining, you are a cad.

Oh.  Wait.  Shining Armor isn’t even the big deal here.  We meet Twilight’s foal sitter, another highly convenient introduction of an alicorn that didn’t exist until this very second.  Despite the Hasbro toy creation of another pony, Cadance is rather.

Cold and distant.  Doesn’t seem to know Twilight.  Doesn’t even know the Secret Handshake!  I call shenanigans!  Shame that the rest of the Mane 5 are all making excuses for why Princess Mi Amore Cadenza, if you please, is acting like a total <YAY> to them.  After Twilight successfully offends everyone, including her own brother, the dear Princess of Love…

Starts a green, eldritch fire around Twilight and sends her off camera as we fade to black.  Dark.  Also very glad Hasbro and DHX had the wherewithal to NOT break this apart over two weeks.

We zip into next week to find the real Princess Heartbutt, who knows Twilight and knows the Secret Handshake dance.  All is well–WAIT you’re on a deadline.  Got to get up there before Shining Armor marries the wrong Princess.

Solution: Well, wow.  Twilight really can’t do anything here.  Even after being asked to go and fetch the Elements of Harmony, now apparently the go-to for any catastrophe, they are captured by the Changeling Swarm.  The true Heartbutt is pushed toward her fiancée, and love and sparkly things send the evil Queen Chrysalis on her way.

Diagnosis: I wouldn’t call this violent… but it’s definitely an indirect method of taking care of evil.  No intended violence used here. So, non-combat conflict resolution.

D) King Sombra

“For God’s sake let us sit upon the ground and tell sad stories about the death of kings,” -Richard II, Act Three, Scene One.

Canterlot.

I know this town, know its secrets, and keep them well.  It’s not easy at times because these secrets don’t want to stay secrets.

Secrets such as that every major lore that happens in Equestria happened–you guessed it–a thousand years ago!  So, Nightmare Moon was Banished, Discord was sealed away, and now this brand new place that we hadn’t heard of until now also disappeared and has now re-appeared.

Now, this place must have given the Realtor a fit.  I mean, you’re situated up in the Frozen North.  It’s cold.  A train ride north, and our M6, including Pre-Alicorn Twilight Sparkle, end up being chased into town by a shadow creature that growls and never really says anything coherent save for like four words.

Our “evil pony of the week” ends up needing to stage his approach, waiting out Heartbutt’s magic to fade and let him in.

Synopsis: Evil dark unicorn from the past comes back to take over the Kingdom he previously had, enslaving the populace to dimmed out slaves to mine crystals and generally be a dreadful place.

Solution: Sombra never really plays his hoof until near the end of the episode, in which we see him retake his pony form.  Through the power of the Crystal Heart, we seem him–wow.  He kinda gets blowed up.  We see a fragment of a horn go flying off into the distance.

Diagnosis: Ehh, Twilight didn’t actually hurt Sombra.  In fact, nopony put a hoof on him.  This is a gray area because he technically was killed. (Unless you consider Ask-Wiggles’ http://ask-king-sombra.tumblr.com/ to be canon, in which case he’s not dead, just lost.)

5) Tirek

“Is he foe or is he friend?  I can assure you, I am no friend.”

Let’s just pull out all the stops and come up with a villain that somehow escaped from the Pony version of Hell when Cerberus had stopped guarding the gate (It’s About Time, Season 2, Episode 20).  And he eats pony magic, doesn’t matter what species you are: Earth Pony, Unicorn or Pegasys: he’s hungry and wants your soul!

Synopsis: Yet again, we see another lore that ends up being in that ever so magical window of about a thousand years ago.  This one, however, is really bad.  He’s up there with “end of the world” level crazy.  And Tirek has no hesitations to go and wreak some major league havoc!  Shining Armor, every city he comes across he conquers and gets bigger and stronger.

Finally, after teaming up with Discord–and finding out that there was a fourth Alicorn now, he is flustered when he is denied his prize from Luna, Celestia, and Cadance.

Solution: Here is where violence ends up rearing its ugly head into the picture.  However, this is justified: Tirek, in his chase of Twilight Sparkle, chases her down to try and take the combined alicorn magic of four ponies–and blows up Golden Oak Library.

Diagnosis: This is undoubtedly the violent solution.  Does it end in death?  No.

Whew.  That was a lot of words!

End of the day, Josh, the way that the antagonist in the most recent MLP comic was taken care of may seem like it was the cowards way out, but you’ve got a 4-1 docket against violent remedies to the situation at hoof.

One final argument I will make to counter your point: in this principality, there seems to be absolutely no system of administrating justice in any manner.  Your position that you feel it was a case of “disproportionate retribution” may have some weight; but this is a comic based on a kid’s show that does not believe that violence is the way to solve anything.